Presidential hopeful Ben Carson fell foul of some mainstream media when he asserted that "Because a lot of people who go into prison go into prison straight -- and when they come out, they’re gay." The factual basis of Carson's claim can be challenged in many cases. No, prison does not automatically make one gay even with the high number of documented sexual assaults therein, or coerced relations, OR even consensual relations in that setting. But Carson's main offense in some media quarters seems to be not the factual basis of his remarks, which can certainly be criticized as inaccurate, but the fact that he expressed a disapproving view of homosexuality. That is the real offense for some in the media.
Carson also said: "My thoughts are that marriage is between a man and a woman. It's a well-established, fundamental pillar of society and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality. It doesn't matter what they are... They [gay people] don't get to change the definition. So he, it's not something that is against gays, it's against anybody who wants to come along and change the fundamental definitions of pillars of society. It has significant ramifications."
Ramifications? True enough. Carson also asserted that being gay is "absolutely a choice." Many Americans would certainly agree with him, as well as many gays, who are tired of being seen as deviant mental cases. On the opposite side of the political spectrum are assorted, racialist "HBD" types who tend to see homosexuality as more genetically based, particularly among those of purported with higher IQ. This is linked with higher IQ folk supposedly having a penchant for the novel and unexpected. Such yen for novelty is what supposedly "selects" for higher IQ per much hereditarian/HBD dogma. And some "HBD" data seems to support these patterns among higher IQ folk (See for example: Satoshi Kanazawa (2010) Evolutionary Psychology and Intelligence Research. American Psychologist. Vol. 65, No. 4, 279–289). Some HBD data shows that gays on the average have higher IQs that straights- perhaps a reflection of that supposed taste for the “novel.” (See for example: John P. De Cecco, Michael G. Shively (1984) Bisexual and homosexual identities: critical theoretical issues.)
Carson seemed not to realize a possible contradiction in his position- some prison sex is consensual, but much is coerced. How then can prisoners who are raped or coerced into gay sex truly be making a "choice"? Perhaps Carson means the pressure of the environment but he failed to qualify his notion. Personally I think Carson is wasting his superb meical talents in the political arena, where rhetoric and propaganda are among the most valued gifts. If he does enter the ring, he will have to become like any other poll-driven, media watching flack, sticking to talking points, messages of the day, base-priming propaganda, and the rest of the grubby paraphernalia hat comes with being a politician, particularly a presidential candidate. In the meantime the long knives, distorted sound bites and bogus "attack" pieces will be ramped up against his reputation and character. The so-called "gay gaffe" above is likely to be only one of a long set of sacks of grist for today's tired political mills.
As a gifted surgeon, I think Carson can do better as an inspirational figure, a fund-raiser for worthy causes, or a cabinet level officer perhaps. It could be that the people urging Carson to run are only using him as a symbol - just as a white ethnic, regional politician or woman might be used as a symbol in the hustings running up to party nominations- bait to draw or sooth the undecideds, the independents, the females or whatever soft constituency of the moment is being targeted. In the meantime, the big guns like Bush III are being primed for the main event. But this analysis may be wrong. Perhaps it was the scenario laid out for Obama, to be Hilary's "herald" of sorts, only Bam turned the tables and became the main playa. not the designated second fiddle. Whether Carson has a credible chance as the main contender remains to be seen.
But back to the so-called "gay gaffe." As noted above, some "HBD" and "heriditarian" types argue that a pattern of higher IQs, extends far back into the European past, as shown by the Greeks, reputed paragons of such things as "reason" and "critical consciousness" and a number of other commendable achievements that have greatly influenced Western civilization, and indeed enriched world culture at large. But the same HBD data also shows a higher prevalence of homosexuality among those with higher IQs- the so-called yearning for the "novel." Both notions come together in the Geeks. Whether a higher IQ Greek taste for "the novel" is the primary reason for the Greek acceptance and promotion of homosexual relations (there were certain rules governing that promotion to be sure such as citizens versus non-citizens etc) is the main reason is still open to debate. However, credible scholars leave no doubt as to Greek proclivities towards homosexuality. Here is one detailed study for example- QUOTE:
"Aphrodite, despite her femminity, is not hostile to homosexual desire, and homosexual intercourse is denoted by the same term, aphrodisia, as heterosexual intercourse. Vase painting was noticeable affected by the homosexual ethos; painters sometimes depicted a naked woman with a male waist and hips, as if a woman's body was nothing but a young man's body plus breasts and minus external genitals.."
Why homosexuality- or to speak more precisely, 'pseudo-homosexuality' since the Greeks saw nothing surprising in the co-existence of desire for boys ad desire for girls in the same person- obtained so firm and widespread a hold on Greek society, is a difficult and speculative question. Segregation alone cannot be the answer, for comparable segregation has failed to engender a comparable degree of homosexuality in other cultures. Why the Greeks of the Classical period accepted homosexual desire as natural and normal is a much easier question: they did so because previous generations had accepted it, and segregation of the sexes in adolescence fortified and sustained the acceptance and practice.
Money may have enabled the adolescent boy to have plenty of sexual intercourse with girls of alien or servile stats, but it could not give him the satisfaction which can be pursued by his counterpart in a society which does not own slaves: the satisfaction of being welcomed *for his own sake* by a sexual partner of equal status. This is what the Greek boy was offered by homosexual relations. He was probably accustomed (as often happens with boys who do not have the company of girls) to a good deal of homosexual play at the time of puberty, and he never heard from his elders the suggestion that one was destined to become either 'a homosexual; or 'a heterosexual.' As he grew older, he could seek among his juniors a partner of citizen status, who could certainly not be forced and who might be totally resistant to even the most disguised kind of purchase. If he was to succeed in seducing this boy (or of later, as a mature man, he was to seduce a youth), he could do so only by *earning* hero-worship...
Aeschines, who follows Aeschylus and Classical sentiment generally in treating the relation between Achilles and Patroclus in the Iliad as homoerotic, commends Homer for leaving it to 'the educated among his hearers' to perceive the nature of the relation from the extravagant grief expressed by Achilles at the death of Patroclus. The vase-painters very frequently depict the giving of presents by men to boys and the 'courting' of boys (a mild term for an approach which includes putting a hand on the boys genitals), but their pursuit of the subject to the stage of erection, let along penetration in a variety of positions, is commonplace.
"..If a Greek admitted that he was in love with a boy, he could expect sympathy and encouragement from his friends, and if it was that that he had attained his goal, envy and admiration. "
--FROM: Women in the Ancient World: The Arethusa Papers (1984). p. 150-151
There you have it Dr. Carson, and not a single prison in sight. His larger point about the fundamental redefinition of marriage in society, will no doubt form part of the narrative as the presidential follies, er race heats up. Or will it? There is another contradiction as well. Carson asserted that traditional marriage between a man and a woman is a fundamental pillar of today's American society. This is true enough. But assorted racialist right wingers also argue that this is the case also for white European society going back into antiquity, invidiously contrasting supposedly more virtuous white Europeans, against those wild and wacky coloreds.
This cosy propaganda narrative however is undermined by some of the data above. In fact homosexual activity was a pillar of some European societies, such as among the Greeks. It was not merely the tolerance of outliers that appear in every society. It is the fact that intellectual, cultural and political leaders leaders, the "smart set" of that society, embraced homosexuality as a vehicle towards, or as among its highest ideals. The practice was deeply EMBEDDED, and valorized in their European cultures. As some scholars note:
"Aspects of Spartan society conduced less to heterosexuality than to homosexuality. In his Laws, Plato wrote that homosexuality resulted from the (male) dining groups and from male nudity in gymnasia. Records of Sparta from the classical period seem to refer to homosexual boyfriends at least as often as to wives. particularly revealing, are some assertions by Xenophon on this subject."
--From: Sparta By Michael Whitby. 2002. Taylor and Francis: p. 93
"Sparta too institutionalized homosexual relations between mature men and adolescent boys, as well as between adult women and girls.. many aspects of Spartan homosexuality and marriage customs point to tribal origins. Participation was mandatory for all youth of good character. There were ordeals- a common feature of tribal initiation.. Even after marriage, men lived in men's houses, not with their wives. Wives and male lovers were shared with age-mates."
---From: The construction of homosexuality. David F. Greenberg. University of Chicago Press. 1990. p.107
It is no surprise that -quote: ".. there is little evidence that symposia were normally used to discuss politics. Rather the opposite; the longest conversation in Plato's Symposium is about the nature of homosexual love." (Charles Freeman, The Greek Achievement, p 283-304) The increasing embrace of such ancient patterns in today's European dominated societies, particularly among the "smart set," raises questions as to the touted "role models" always being held up as paragons for non-whites. Right wing pundit Glen Beck caused a stir when he slammed US Prez Obama for "deep- seated hatred for white people or the white culture." What Beck forgot to mention is that "white culture" would include that of the Greeks, including their deep-seated love for, or valorization of homosexuality, as among, or a vehicle to their highest ideals, a vehicle or ideal increasingly being pursued by many of today's white "role models." Again we are not talking tolerance for outliers, but what is and was esteemed by the cultural, educational, intellectual and even in some cases political leaders of society. It is doubtful if Carson will tackle this other side of the coin anytime soon in his musings.
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